How much jail time would Matthew Winkler had gotten if he had killed Mary?

  • Posted by mike on March 18th, 2010 filed in portal.jsqf.com

  • What if all the facts were identical except he killed her vs. her killing him?

    Would he have gotten only a few months of prison and be out with custody of his kids?

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/04/mini...


  • This is a prime example why some men have an hatred towards feminism. She was supposed to spent 3 years (already not a lot) in jail, yet spent less than a month there. A man can get more jail time if he had sex with a 17 y/o or carried a few grams of marijuana.

    She was a victim for years, yet she never went to get help. The juridical system is completely whacked.

    Even if in a reverse situation, the man was abused himself, he would have get at least 10 years easily.


  • Life in prison possibly, certainly a lot more than the 3-6 years Mary Winkler was supposed to get. He'd certainly never get custody of his kids. Abuse wouldn't help much, courts sometimes, but rarely, really factor it into the case when a man kills a woman.


  • She has a long history of severe mental illness and was found to have been psychotic at the time of the incident.

    So if he had exactly the same history of mental illness and was found to be psychotic...

    "How likely is it that Winkler had PTSD?

    It's very likely that she had some form of anxiety disorder brought on, at least in part, by abuse. Forensic psychologists testified at the trial that Winkler had developed PTSD as a teen after her younger sister died.

    That's certainly possible. The most common cause of PTSD, which afflicts 9 percent of Americans at some point in their lives, is hearing about the unexpected death of a loved one, says Joan Anzia, a clinical psychiatrist at Northwestern Memorial Hospital in Chicago. Trauma in early childhood, she adds, can predispose people to developing PTSD later in life.

    "It doesn't have to come from being in a war zone or a terrorist attack," says David Baron, chair of the department of behavioral sciences and psychiatry at Temple University. "It's about being confronted with an event where there was a threat of death or serious injury. You can see it with physical and sexual assault." Some sufferers of PTSD experience "dissociation," which Lynne Zager, a forensic psychologist for Winkler's defense, characterized as "[stepping] outside themselves ... sort of like being in a fog." Zager said Winkler had experienced those episodes and was in the midst of one when she shot her husband; Winkler herself told police she did not remember pulling the trigger. Dissociation, which does not appear in all PTSD cases, is "one of the strangest phenomena associated with the disorder," says Frank Ochberg, a clinical professor of psychiatry at Michigan State University. "The idea is that at some point without having full appreciation of what she was doing, she could have moved into an altered state of consciousness, like a trance, like a sleepwalker."


  • If he been found to have the same illness she did, and suffered from the same emotional and sexual abuse, probably. Maybe no time at all it if had been shown that she forced him to participate in sexual acts that were an aversion to him.


  • I don't agree that this is right, but honestly, I know a man who molested his own daughter who served only weekends in jail for 17 months. He was protected because as a sex offender he would be in 'danger' in prison.

    He molested his daughter from the time she could remember, which was 2 or 3 years old, until she was 15.

    He also molested 3 other girls in the family alone, that came forward, who knows how many he actually molested considering he traveled often for business.

    Please don't make it sound as if the judicial system ONLY ***** over men...it's an equal opportunity cesspool, thanks.


  • I'm a tad confused. "Voluntary manslaughter"? Isn't that murder? Or are they saying that she was so controlled by her own emotions that she wasn't even responsible for her decisions?

    And, no, probably not. Women are seen as weak and having less control of their emotions. While this often generates less respect, it also grants less liability. Reduced liability for emotions is seen in increased social support for everything from temper tantrums to crying for women as opposed to men.

    Just how the world works, it seems. In this specific case, the turn out is fairly disturbing.







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